There’s a great principle in the debate about gay “outing” that is relevant here, the difference between secret and private. If someone thinks something is wrong they keep it secret. If someone thinks their being gay themselves is bad they keep it secret. Outing someone who is gay is not bad because there is nothing bad about being gay. Keeping it a secret actually tells people that there’s something that needs to be hidden about being gay. It’s homophobic.
What people do with others sexually is private. That’s nobody’s business but their own. Their private needs and desires should be something they can trust that they need share only with someone they are intimate with.
These people are keeping these discussions secret because having them is bad. They are bad because they are deceiving the parents irrespective of the subject. By telling the children to deceive their parents they are compounding the problem by training the children to understand that discussions of gender and sexuality are bad, and must be be secret, and lied about.
The children are being trained to be “in the closet”, the adults involved are literally grooming children to lie to their parents about sex as a general principle.
This is indistinguishable from a pedophile grooming a child to lie to parents about sexual discussions. One of the first things parents teach children directly or indirectly to do to protect them from sexual predators is to tell them if someone tells them to lie to their parents about sex.
Children should not keep discussions of sexual topics with anyone ever a secret from their parents.
As children grow older they need some privacy as they think and explore sexual feelings and actions. That’s completely different in kind and degree.
Amazing.
It’s a new variation on the theme similar to the McMartin school investigators sexual grooming of children by adults to lie about sex.
Absolutely. They may not fully understand this but they are teaching children to keep secrets from their parents, lie to their parents, teaching them their parents aren’t safe and teaching them that the world won’t accept them. They are also teaching them that this type of grooming behavior is OK and leaving them wide open to be groomed and seriously harmed by others. This is the most massive breach of trust by teachers I’ve ever seen. What they are doing is so beyond the pale. They are harming children and potentially breaking up families. I’m so glad Christina and Collin got this proof. I want the whole world to see what many of us parents have known has been happening. It’s criminal.
It is criminal, by the way, under even a restrictive reading of section § 2422 of the United States Criminal Code (the Code), commonly referred to as the federal enticement statute. Punishment is 15 years in prison. Child Abuse.
Coercing a child into displaying inappropriate sexual behavior, which they would never do on their own, is quite illegal, irrespective of whether an act is performed at all.
Displaying sexual behaviors at the prompting of adults, discussing sexual behaviors while concealing the conversation, alienation of parental affection while encouraging inappropriate sexual responses to personal engagement with the child, all are quite illegal IMHO but I’m not a lawyer, I’m a garden-variety gay man who can read plain English.
When I read this, all the pieces of the puzzle drop into place in my mind and what’s going to happen.
1) People who train teachers to do this can be arrested, tried and convicted and sent to prison for 15 years as participants in a criminal conspiracy to abuse children.
2) Teachers who do this can be arrested, tried and convicted and sent to prison for 15 years for abusing children.
3) Anyone corresponding with a minor electronically and inducing them to perform an inappropriate sexual behavior and conceal the relationship can be arrested and tried likewise.
4) Social media which allow these people to contact children and induce them to perform inappropriate sexual behaviors and conceal the relationship can potentially be criminally liable.
5) “Influencers” which encourage inappropriate sexual behaviors and conceal relationships can potentially be criminally liable.
It will take a single case at trial to establish the facts of the matter and obvious problem with this destructive behavior, and you’ll see this evaporate very quickly.
I sympathise with all children who are atypical in any way, because I was such a child in so many ways, it’s not fun. But helping a child cope is quite different from secretly inducing impressionable children to express inappropriate sexual behaviors.
It would have been devastating for me to have met one of these people when I was young.
Much of this is very concerning. However, the quote “talking really explicitly and seriously about sexuality and gender” sounds like it may have been taken out of context. Are you able to provide more information about the content of these clubs that would help back up this quote?
Keep an eye out for after school "Teen Clubs" also. A place where teens can hang out to do their homework, or play board games, etc. A teenager I know who was straight went to one and soon he was part of a gay-affirming presentation on stage in front of the community. It was pushed and started in the teen club in Middle School. He's doing fine and has a girlfriend, but I was surprised by how a place that's supposed to be a safe place for kids to hang out after school to do homework became ideological, quickly.
There’s a great principle in the debate about gay “outing” that is relevant here, the difference between secret and private. If someone thinks something is wrong they keep it secret. If someone thinks their being gay themselves is bad they keep it secret. Outing someone who is gay is not bad because there is nothing bad about being gay. Keeping it a secret actually tells people that there’s something that needs to be hidden about being gay. It’s homophobic.
What people do with others sexually is private. That’s nobody’s business but their own. Their private needs and desires should be something they can trust that they need share only with someone they are intimate with.
These people are keeping these discussions secret because having them is bad. They are bad because they are deceiving the parents irrespective of the subject. By telling the children to deceive their parents they are compounding the problem by training the children to understand that discussions of gender and sexuality are bad, and must be be secret, and lied about.
The children are being trained to be “in the closet”, the adults involved are literally grooming children to lie to their parents about sex as a general principle.
This is indistinguishable from a pedophile grooming a child to lie to parents about sexual discussions. One of the first things parents teach children directly or indirectly to do to protect them from sexual predators is to tell them if someone tells them to lie to their parents about sex.
Children should not keep discussions of sexual topics with anyone ever a secret from their parents.
As children grow older they need some privacy as they think and explore sexual feelings and actions. That’s completely different in kind and degree.
Amazing.
It’s a new variation on the theme similar to the McMartin school investigators sexual grooming of children by adults to lie about sex.
Absolutely. They may not fully understand this but they are teaching children to keep secrets from their parents, lie to their parents, teaching them their parents aren’t safe and teaching them that the world won’t accept them. They are also teaching them that this type of grooming behavior is OK and leaving them wide open to be groomed and seriously harmed by others. This is the most massive breach of trust by teachers I’ve ever seen. What they are doing is so beyond the pale. They are harming children and potentially breaking up families. I’m so glad Christina and Collin got this proof. I want the whole world to see what many of us parents have known has been happening. It’s criminal.
It is criminal, by the way, under even a restrictive reading of section § 2422 of the United States Criminal Code (the Code), commonly referred to as the federal enticement statute. Punishment is 15 years in prison. Child Abuse.
Coercing a child into displaying inappropriate sexual behavior, which they would never do on their own, is quite illegal, irrespective of whether an act is performed at all.
Displaying sexual behaviors at the prompting of adults, discussing sexual behaviors while concealing the conversation, alienation of parental affection while encouraging inappropriate sexual responses to personal engagement with the child, all are quite illegal IMHO but I’m not a lawyer, I’m a garden-variety gay man who can read plain English.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-2001-coercion-and-enticement-18-usc-2422
The American Bar association gives a good summary interpretation
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_interest/child_law/resources/child_law_practiceonline/child_law_practice/vol-34/november-2015/understanding-sexual-grooming-in-child-abuse-cases/
When I read this, all the pieces of the puzzle drop into place in my mind and what’s going to happen.
1) People who train teachers to do this can be arrested, tried and convicted and sent to prison for 15 years as participants in a criminal conspiracy to abuse children.
2) Teachers who do this can be arrested, tried and convicted and sent to prison for 15 years for abusing children.
3) Anyone corresponding with a minor electronically and inducing them to perform an inappropriate sexual behavior and conceal the relationship can be arrested and tried likewise.
4) Social media which allow these people to contact children and induce them to perform inappropriate sexual behaviors and conceal the relationship can potentially be criminally liable.
5) “Influencers” which encourage inappropriate sexual behaviors and conceal relationships can potentially be criminally liable.
It will take a single case at trial to establish the facts of the matter and obvious problem with this destructive behavior, and you’ll see this evaporate very quickly.
I sympathise with all children who are atypical in any way, because I was such a child in so many ways, it’s not fun. But helping a child cope is quite different from secretly inducing impressionable children to express inappropriate sexual behaviors.
It would have been devastating for me to have met one of these people when I was young.
These groomers need some parent street justice
Much of this is very concerning. However, the quote “talking really explicitly and seriously about sexuality and gender” sounds like it may have been taken out of context. Are you able to provide more information about the content of these clubs that would help back up this quote?
Keep an eye out for after school "Teen Clubs" also. A place where teens can hang out to do their homework, or play board games, etc. A teenager I know who was straight went to one and soon he was part of a gay-affirming presentation on stage in front of the community. It was pushed and started in the teen club in Middle School. He's doing fine and has a girlfriend, but I was surprised by how a place that's supposed to be a safe place for kids to hang out after school to do homework became ideological, quickly.