OMFG, it's trans ideologues who are the most hateful, spiteful, violent, despicable people on the internet today. This is diabolical. The letter you wrote is extremely tame considering how vile, cruel and ignorant they've been.
What I would like to know, seriously, is how the Left gets away with labeling any idea that conflicts with their’s as hate and harmful? This is so very, very unconstitutional and anti-societal.
And what's terrible about Etsy and companies like them is they have money power they can use against people who don't. They use that power to shut people up.
Because they keep hammering on it, and aren't afraid of being called names. Calling someone on the right a 'racist' or a 'bigot' or a 'transphobe' is enough to send most of them kowtowing to the bullies. If they call you a bigot, just own up to it, what can they say then? And you can never crawl or apologize enough anyway, you'll always be a pariah.
throw it back to them. gender affirming care is bigoted against gays, dysphoric and gnc ppl. it harms them by tricking them into meds that evidence shows doesnt work and causes severe harm
Look up the legal concept of a "hostile work environment". Basically if any employee member of a "protected class" is made uncomfortable by something a coworker does, that member can sue the employer over it and get a big payout. Thus employers are forced to police their employees' speech to protect themselves.
The problem is that "transgender" is a "protected class," but IN MANY STATES,
W-O-M-E-N are NOT.
Attacks against women are NOT "hate crimes" as are attacks against transgender people are.
What sort of justice is THAT?
AND WHY IS IT OKAY TO PEDDLE MERCHANDISE THAT SAYS "F--- TERFS," "TERF REPELLANT," "NO TERFS AT THIS RODEO," "NO TERFS, NO PROBLEM," "A TRANS PERSON PEED HERE. YOU SURVIVED," OR a button saying, "RESPECT PRONOUNS OR I WILL IDENTIFY AS A PROBLEM," showing a cat wielding a very large Knife.
And how about the threats, "DEATH BEFORE DETRANSITION," "RESPECT PRONOUNS OR GET THROWN DOWN," "RESPECT PEOPLE'S PRONOUNS OR YOU WILL BE WAS/WERE"?
I agree. I understand the case against compelled speech, but I'm curious if a platform that says it does not discriminate against gender can legally discriminate/withhold services against detransitioners? Is there a similar court case?
There is a precedent being established in legislation. The legislature and governors of Oregon, for example, have put into action laws that expand access to medical gender transitions for adolescents claiming trans status. Adolescents as young as 15 can seek services on their own, without parental consent. The state of OR requires private and public medical insurers to cover "gender affirmative care" for adolescents. When advocates argued for provision of funding for detransitioners, on the other hand, there was stiff resistance against it by the Democrat dominated legislature. Arguments against funding detransitioners' medical expenses included the claim that detransitioners' expenses would be funded by medical insurance without requiring any further legislation. This is generally not true: For example, breast reconstructions in the absence of a cancer diagnosis might be regarded as cosmetic surgery and not medically necessary.
Medical facilities cannot even bill for services without using officially accepted diagnoses for a condition as well as officially accepted procedure codes. Typing the term "detransition" on a claim form will not result in insurance reimbursement unless there is an official medical code for the condition that is to be corrected by specific procedures.
thats why gender critical speech needs its own category of protection. otherwise our freedom of speech is impinged and negated. i think UK has this right but in the US we dont. my employer has 23 protected classes. none of them are gender critical
I used to be a huge Etsy shopper but I will no longer purchase anything from them. I am angry and upset about what they have done to detransitioners like Laura and the people who support her.
Agreed. Is it okay to punish all the small independent craftspeople, artists, and resellers for a policy that they probably don’t know about (and likely don’t agree with)?
This is not a Budweiser/Target issue, where the boycott will penalize the corporation and its shareholders; this will penalize small businesses who don’t have a ton of options to get their products out to the general public.
Not only is Etsy hurting the financial well-being of people who advertise on their site, but they are also damaging people emotionally. It is hurtful to be characterized as a hateful person when one is simply trying to survive, get along and build a sense of community. I am constantly surprised by the extent to which trans activists and other critical theory activists project their aggressive, judgmental intentions onto others.
We can flood their content moderators with reports on the specific items that promote violence against women. I've reported several today. Just keep flooding them with reports of violent material.
Yes, that seems like a good "activist" action. I am not against "hate terf" pins because I consider that free speech...And people could have their I hate "hate terf" pins...And Laura, should have her free speech too...etc.
"Hate Terfs" can be legal to say but that mean's by extension it needs to be legal to be able to boycott, complain, criticize, condemn and tear apart their bogus narrative. Not respond with silence.
I closed my account with Etsy last year when I discovered they had any number of Hate TERF pins, badges and other items. I'm not using a platform that encourages hate. Even if it's deemed the 'right sort' of hate. I feel sorry for the sellers, but I'm not lining the pockets of biology deniers.
Not just biology deniers, but “haters”. I have a truly negative reaction when the term haters is used to describe those who simply disagree with each other, but the difference here is taking ACTION to baselessly hurt those who differ ideologically. That is the exact legal description of hate speech, for which those on the left are held guiltless, and even “celebrated”.
If genitalia doesn't assign gender, how does removing genitalia affirm gender? As long as the Medical Industrial Complex can make a buck, this will not stop. Children are to be protected, not defiled.
Advocates Protecting Children made a little meme asking if “gender is a spectrum” then why is transition only valid in one direction (towards the drugs)?
If I recall correctly, Etsy has been offering sex dolls in the form of children. How does that square with this treatment of people with perfectly legal opinions?
It doesn't square at all. I just figure so many people have lost their freakin' minds, I am certainly not going to be able to make any sense out of any of it...because they DON'T make sense. It's like trying to understand someone who has a PhD in Paleontology saying the devil put dinosaur bones on earth to screw with your head.
I clicked on the Etsy link from Laura's web site and it took me to her Etsy shop which DID include all her de-transitioner awareness items. Is it possible that they have reconsidered? Or have they just not pulled it all down? Hoping the first is true!
In the UK the philosophical belief that a man cannot change into a woman etc. has been determined by the court to be a protected belief under the 2010 Equality Act. Do you think a British citizen has to take Etsy to court over this?
OMFG, it's trans ideologues who are the most hateful, spiteful, violent, despicable people on the internet today. This is diabolical. The letter you wrote is extremely tame considering how vile, cruel and ignorant they've been.
What I would like to know, seriously, is how the Left gets away with labeling any idea that conflicts with their’s as hate and harmful? This is so very, very unconstitutional and anti-societal.
And what's terrible about Etsy and companies like them is they have money power they can use against people who don't. They use that power to shut people up.
Because they keep hammering on it, and aren't afraid of being called names. Calling someone on the right a 'racist' or a 'bigot' or a 'transphobe' is enough to send most of them kowtowing to the bullies. If they call you a bigot, just own up to it, what can they say then? And you can never crawl or apologize enough anyway, you'll always be a pariah.
throw it back to them. gender affirming care is bigoted against gays, dysphoric and gnc ppl. it harms them by tricking them into meds that evidence shows doesnt work and causes severe harm
I read a good statement the other day.
"Baseless insults are vitamins to me."
Look up the legal concept of a "hostile work environment". Basically if any employee member of a "protected class" is made uncomfortable by something a coworker does, that member can sue the employer over it and get a big payout. Thus employers are forced to police their employees' speech to protect themselves.
The problem is that "transgender" is a "protected class," but IN MANY STATES,
W-O-M-E-N are NOT.
Attacks against women are NOT "hate crimes" as are attacks against transgender people are.
What sort of justice is THAT?
AND WHY IS IT OKAY TO PEDDLE MERCHANDISE THAT SAYS "F--- TERFS," "TERF REPELLANT," "NO TERFS AT THIS RODEO," "NO TERFS, NO PROBLEM," "A TRANS PERSON PEED HERE. YOU SURVIVED," OR a button saying, "RESPECT PRONOUNS OR I WILL IDENTIFY AS A PROBLEM," showing a cat wielding a very large Knife.
And how about the threats, "DEATH BEFORE DETRANSITION," "RESPECT PRONOUNS OR GET THROWN DOWN," "RESPECT PEOPLE'S PRONOUNS OR YOU WILL BE WAS/WERE"?
I agree. I understand the case against compelled speech, but I'm curious if a platform that says it does not discriminate against gender can legally discriminate/withhold services against detransitioners? Is there a similar court case?
There is a precedent being established in legislation. The legislature and governors of Oregon, for example, have put into action laws that expand access to medical gender transitions for adolescents claiming trans status. Adolescents as young as 15 can seek services on their own, without parental consent. The state of OR requires private and public medical insurers to cover "gender affirmative care" for adolescents. When advocates argued for provision of funding for detransitioners, on the other hand, there was stiff resistance against it by the Democrat dominated legislature. Arguments against funding detransitioners' medical expenses included the claim that detransitioners' expenses would be funded by medical insurance without requiring any further legislation. This is generally not true: For example, breast reconstructions in the absence of a cancer diagnosis might be regarded as cosmetic surgery and not medically necessary.
Medical facilities cannot even bill for services without using officially accepted diagnoses for a condition as well as officially accepted procedure codes. Typing the term "detransition" on a claim form will not result in insurance reimbursement unless there is an official medical code for the condition that is to be corrected by specific procedures.
thats why gender critical speech needs its own category of protection. otherwise our freedom of speech is impinged and negated. i think UK has this right but in the US we dont. my employer has 23 protected classes. none of them are gender critical
No, what we need is to eliminate the whole notion of a "protected class".
I used to be a huge Etsy shopper but I will no longer purchase anything from them. I am angry and upset about what they have done to detransitioners like Laura and the people who support her.
I'm torn on that one as there are many other people on Etsy trying to make a living, people that have nothing to do with this.
Agreed. Is it okay to punish all the small independent craftspeople, artists, and resellers for a policy that they probably don’t know about (and likely don’t agree with)?
This is not a Budweiser/Target issue, where the boycott will penalize the corporation and its shareholders; this will penalize small businesses who don’t have a ton of options to get their products out to the general public.
Not only is Etsy hurting the financial well-being of people who advertise on their site, but they are also damaging people emotionally. It is hurtful to be characterized as a hateful person when one is simply trying to survive, get along and build a sense of community. I am constantly surprised by the extent to which trans activists and other critical theory activists project their aggressive, judgmental intentions onto others.
We can flood their content moderators with reports on the specific items that promote violence against women. I've reported several today. Just keep flooding them with reports of violent material.
This is a great idea! I am starting now …
Yes, that seems like a good "activist" action. I am not against "hate terf" pins because I consider that free speech...And people could have their I hate "hate terf" pins...And Laura, should have her free speech too...etc.
I agree- free speech is free speech, but there are a few with violent images and those are the ones I reported. Knives, hatchets etc.
"Hate Terfs" can be legal to say but that mean's by extension it needs to be legal to be able to boycott, complain, criticize, condemn and tear apart their bogus narrative. Not respond with silence.
I closed my account with Etsy last year when I discovered they had any number of Hate TERF pins, badges and other items. I'm not using a platform that encourages hate. Even if it's deemed the 'right sort' of hate. I feel sorry for the sellers, but I'm not lining the pockets of biology deniers.
Not just biology deniers, but “haters”. I have a truly negative reaction when the term haters is used to describe those who simply disagree with each other, but the difference here is taking ACTION to baselessly hurt those who differ ideologically. That is the exact legal description of hate speech, for which those on the left are held guiltless, and even “celebrated”.
If genitalia doesn't assign gender, how does removing genitalia affirm gender? As long as the Medical Industrial Complex can make a buck, this will not stop. Children are to be protected, not defiled.
Jeff, Stop being so logical! ;-)
I've been wondering that, too.
Advocates Protecting Children made a little meme asking if “gender is a spectrum” then why is transition only valid in one direction (towards the drugs)?
Good question!
And the drugs reflect the binary of biological sex, which the trans activists claim to not accept or be interested in.
God. They are literally everywhere, pulling the strings of everything! And yet they scream oppression and being the most marginalised. My arse! 😡
If I recall correctly, Etsy has been offering sex dolls in the form of children. How does that square with this treatment of people with perfectly legal opinions?
It doesn't square at all. I just figure so many people have lost their freakin' minds, I am certainly not going to be able to make any sense out of any of it...because they DON'T make sense. It's like trying to understand someone who has a PhD in Paleontology saying the devil put dinosaur bones on earth to screw with your head.
👍👍
Post modern zany hipness has turned out to destroy civilization like an earthquake high on the Richter scale.
Hi Christina,
I clicked on the Etsy link from Laura's web site and it took me to her Etsy shop which DID include all her de-transitioner awareness items. Is it possible that they have reconsidered? Or have they just not pulled it all down? Hoping the first is true!
The link worked for me, too. Maybe Christina’s letter won the day! 😎
Good to know!!!
Thank you for writing this! I messaged Laura through Etsy and ordered directly from her- screw Etsy! Those terf items infuriate me.
Just crossed Etsy off my list. And I was about ready to spend some good cash on objects for my home remodel.
Sounds a lot like they don't want them to exist...where have I heard that before? Hmmm..
I don’t know much about it, but an app called Public Square is supposed to be supportive of vendors with conservative values.
In the UK the philosophical belief that a man cannot change into a woman etc. has been determined by the court to be a protected belief under the 2010 Equality Act. Do you think a British citizen has to take Etsy to court over this?