Queering the medical ethics of pregnancy to problematize a desire for “normal fetal outcomes” is an abandonment of evidence-based medicine and the principle of “do no harm.”
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I refuse to collude with the demand that we all participate in societal cosplay so trans activists and ideologues can have their way and manipulate explicit reality. Only women have babies. “Trans men” are biological women who want to have it both ways: to be male and to be pregnant. It not only offends human and cultural sensitivities, it is abhorrent. This is a sentiment where activists would acute me of being hateful or transphobic. I do fear what trans activists are doing to corrupt society and children. I do not hate people. I do not like the false equivalence of trans rights being made equal to the rights of race or ethnicity or other sexual minorities.
The magical thinking in this paper the authors discussed is staggering. The idea of maternal fetal care would be "gendered" and "offspring-focused" is a big huge "Duh!" to the rest of the world.
I find it particularly upsetting that somehow the desires of the adults in this situation somehow overrides the needs of a baby — who has absolutely no choice in the matter. (I mean, if the mother were doing hard drugs, we'd all be up in arms about it... 😒)
Stepping back just five to ten years ago, what is taking place today in front of our eyes would have been inconceivable. We are being asked to replace rationality, logic and scientific pursuit as a sacrifice to the cult of social and gender justice. I for one will not go along.
Every time I think I can't possibly fit anything more into my - "you really can't make this shit up file" - something like this post comes along and I have no choice but to cram it in. : /
This article is wonderful--thoughtful and rational-but-respectfully written--even if member of the trans community to whom it's addressed in part don't (IMO) deserve respect. Motherhood--all parenthood, in fact--involves *protecting* one's child and routinely putting the child's needs first, especially when they're fetuses or babies. (I'm astounded that the trans community doesn't take this as a given.) A trans person's presumption that they can "have their cake and eat it, too"--that they can stamp their feet and hold their breath until they turn blue and feel victimized because the medical community can't perform magic for them--is incredibly naive, uninformed, selfish, and disturbing. After all, who would intentionally hurt their own child/developing fetus? Maybe a person who's been so indulged/deluded by our country's accommodating their delusion of being the sex they aren't and can never *really* be that they believe they can always "get their own way." Turning trans tantrums into government policy, as we continue to do, is absurd. Many of life's greatest sacrifices/giving up immediate pleasure can produce life's greatest pleasures in the long run--something that every parent learns. Denying our youth (regretfully, including my own child) the opportunity to discover this by allowing them to focus only on the immediate/short-term/self-focused prevents them from attaining longterm happiness. I'm very grateful for this article and think that it should be sent to every Planned Parenthood, member of the American Association of Pediatricians, member of the American Endocrine Society, member of the American Psychological Association, etc., etc. who have cowardly chosen blinders and selfishly chosen short-term professional/financial gain over vow they took to "do no harm."
Criminal prosecutions, civil malpractice actions and revocation of medical licenses would be a good start to ending this transexual depravity. However the source of this madness is found in universities that have become incubators for many kinds of criminal insanity dressed up as social justice. Those universities need to lose their certifications and all public funding until they return to the role of educating students instead of corrupting them.
Any female who would put her desire to appear more masculine above the health of her growing baby is a monster. I’m appalled that this is even a discussion that activists are having, bc there’s a literal army of moms who were expected to give up seemingly innocuous things like soft cheese (yes, I know why), and they want to put trans-identifying females on a pedestal so they can do anything they want bc it’s “affirming”? Don’t push the mama bears. Many of us gave up coffee for an entire pregnancy, AND during breastfeeding. Coffee!
I had to read the passage twice about public recognition as a man being challenged by decreasing/stopping testosterone...I mean, isn’t the basic fact of being PREGNANT going to affect one’s public recognition as a man???
Make it make sense. 😔
Someone who believes they’re a man, who is taking hormones to change their body into a man, who may even have altered their body to present as a man, should not be conceiving a child. It defies logic. Men don’t have babies. If you want to be a man/you say you are a man...?
A couple of additional questions: 1. Will the testosterone later give this woman who thinks she's male cervical or other cancer? I guess so many body parts get removed that figuring the risk out is complicated. 2. What normal pregnant woman wants to be in the practice of a doctor who approves of pregnant women taking this drug? I'm past menopause, but even for my annual exam, I do not want to be in that practice. That means reputable doctors will be more in demand by sane women. Thanks so much to Center for Bio-Ethics and Culture Network!
Thank you so much for this useful article, Jennifer and Kallie. Congratulations. The alleged breastfeeding of infants by men who say they are women is what drove me to a new level of activism on this issue. I would like to see citations to the medical research that shows that the chemical composition of breastmilk changes hourly immediately after birth and then is constantly changing its chemical makeup for many months after delivery. Amazing natural phenomenon :-)
A pregnant woman who intentionally damages her unborn baby so that she can feel smug about being tolerant of birth defects? These people are so repulsive they are begging to be hated, rejected by society, and perhaps put in prison.
Just when you think the insanity has hit bottom, the trans lobby opens up another trap door to a lower level of hell. I’m having a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, continually disappointed that a meteor hadn’t wiped us out overnight.
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Thanks!
I refuse to collude with the demand that we all participate in societal cosplay so trans activists and ideologues can have their way and manipulate explicit reality. Only women have babies. “Trans men” are biological women who want to have it both ways: to be male and to be pregnant. It not only offends human and cultural sensitivities, it is abhorrent. This is a sentiment where activists would acute me of being hateful or transphobic. I do fear what trans activists are doing to corrupt society and children. I do not hate people. I do not like the false equivalence of trans rights being made equal to the rights of race or ethnicity or other sexual minorities.
The magical thinking in this paper the authors discussed is staggering. The idea of maternal fetal care would be "gendered" and "offspring-focused" is a big huge "Duh!" to the rest of the world.
I find it particularly upsetting that somehow the desires of the adults in this situation somehow overrides the needs of a baby — who has absolutely no choice in the matter. (I mean, if the mother were doing hard drugs, we'd all be up in arms about it... 😒)
Stepping back just five to ten years ago, what is taking place today in front of our eyes would have been inconceivable. We are being asked to replace rationality, logic and scientific pursuit as a sacrifice to the cult of social and gender justice. I for one will not go along.
Every time I think I can't possibly fit anything more into my - "you really can't make this shit up file" - something like this post comes along and I have no choice but to cram it in. : /
This article is wonderful--thoughtful and rational-but-respectfully written--even if member of the trans community to whom it's addressed in part don't (IMO) deserve respect. Motherhood--all parenthood, in fact--involves *protecting* one's child and routinely putting the child's needs first, especially when they're fetuses or babies. (I'm astounded that the trans community doesn't take this as a given.) A trans person's presumption that they can "have their cake and eat it, too"--that they can stamp their feet and hold their breath until they turn blue and feel victimized because the medical community can't perform magic for them--is incredibly naive, uninformed, selfish, and disturbing. After all, who would intentionally hurt their own child/developing fetus? Maybe a person who's been so indulged/deluded by our country's accommodating their delusion of being the sex they aren't and can never *really* be that they believe they can always "get their own way." Turning trans tantrums into government policy, as we continue to do, is absurd. Many of life's greatest sacrifices/giving up immediate pleasure can produce life's greatest pleasures in the long run--something that every parent learns. Denying our youth (regretfully, including my own child) the opportunity to discover this by allowing them to focus only on the immediate/short-term/self-focused prevents them from attaining longterm happiness. I'm very grateful for this article and think that it should be sent to every Planned Parenthood, member of the American Association of Pediatricians, member of the American Endocrine Society, member of the American Psychological Association, etc., etc. who have cowardly chosen blinders and selfishly chosen short-term professional/financial gain over vow they took to "do no harm."
Criminal prosecutions, civil malpractice actions and revocation of medical licenses would be a good start to ending this transexual depravity. However the source of this madness is found in universities that have become incubators for many kinds of criminal insanity dressed up as social justice. Those universities need to lose their certifications and all public funding until they return to the role of educating students instead of corrupting them.
Any female who would put her desire to appear more masculine above the health of her growing baby is a monster. I’m appalled that this is even a discussion that activists are having, bc there’s a literal army of moms who were expected to give up seemingly innocuous things like soft cheese (yes, I know why), and they want to put trans-identifying females on a pedestal so they can do anything they want bc it’s “affirming”? Don’t push the mama bears. Many of us gave up coffee for an entire pregnancy, AND during breastfeeding. Coffee!
I had to read the passage twice about public recognition as a man being challenged by decreasing/stopping testosterone...I mean, isn’t the basic fact of being PREGNANT going to affect one’s public recognition as a man???
Make it make sense. 😔
Someone who believes they’re a man, who is taking hormones to change their body into a man, who may even have altered their body to present as a man, should not be conceiving a child. It defies logic. Men don’t have babies. If you want to be a man/you say you are a man...?
Unbelievable narcissism of these people. Utter disregard for the sanctity of life.
A couple of additional questions: 1. Will the testosterone later give this woman who thinks she's male cervical or other cancer? I guess so many body parts get removed that figuring the risk out is complicated. 2. What normal pregnant woman wants to be in the practice of a doctor who approves of pregnant women taking this drug? I'm past menopause, but even for my annual exam, I do not want to be in that practice. That means reputable doctors will be more in demand by sane women. Thanks so much to Center for Bio-Ethics and Culture Network!
Thank you so much for this useful article, Jennifer and Kallie. Congratulations. The alleged breastfeeding of infants by men who say they are women is what drove me to a new level of activism on this issue. I would like to see citations to the medical research that shows that the chemical composition of breastmilk changes hourly immediately after birth and then is constantly changing its chemical makeup for many months after delivery. Amazing natural phenomenon :-)
Pfeffer article sounds like brilliant Swift-level satire, the next " A Modest Proposal". Eating babies once again. Too bad it's not satire.
A pregnant woman who intentionally damages her unborn baby so that she can feel smug about being tolerant of birth defects? These people are so repulsive they are begging to be hated, rejected by society, and perhaps put in prison.
Narcissism.
Just when you think the insanity has hit bottom, the trans lobby opens up another trap door to a lower level of hell. I’m having a hard time getting out of bed in the morning, continually disappointed that a meteor hadn’t wiped us out overnight.