“...the authors did not control for mental illness when assessing suicidal attempts and deaths.”
Yes, because by definition, transgender = mentally ill. 100% incidence rate. Whether it be depression or borderline personality disorder or worse. They all have something.
Transgenderism is a mental illness and medical research should be directed at preventing that illness. It borders on madness to placate the transgender delusion. That approach is like treating a paranoid schizophrenic by confirming their delusions of persecution. The recent increase in transexualism must have a cause so life-saving research efforts should be directed toward understanding that cause and reversing it.
Well, the cause seems to be indoctrination and propaganda in schools, media and online specifically targeted at vulnerable children and young adults. We don't need research efforts, we need to counter and stop the propaganda.
I couldn't agree with you more and my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek. However, the sad fact is that courts and other authorities look to scientific research and not our opinions or even common sense to make decisions. They rely on "scientific" data and publications, and at present almost all the "scientific" literature is delusional propaganda churned out by sadistic monsters who mutilate children for a living.
It's frustrating that doctors and "influencers" keep doubling-down on transgenderism as the "answer," when we all know full and well that every "trans" person has issues that go unattended because they're now focused on crafting their new "identity". It's like throwing glitter on top of sludge.
It's sad that doctors are mistreating the mentally unstable and society's "outcasts" by telling them that they need to undergo these surgeries and "therapies."
I know it's sarcastic to ask, but if a child announced he was Jesus and maintained that identification persistently and insistantly, would anyone suggest we "affirm"the belief? Or would we suggest professional help, probably in an inpatient setting?
We’re well past Jesus. At a grade school near my house there is a 12 year old girl who identifies as a lizard. A friend’s son got suspended for making fun of said lizard.
They’re already doing this in China to some (unknown) degree. Under the pretense of AIDS immunity they altered twins genetic makeup. The side effect was also increased mental acuity. Pretty wild stuff.
" if a child announced he was Jesus and maintained that identification persistently and insistantly, would anyone suggest we "affirm"the belief?"
What if they identify as a 'king' or a 'princess' or a 'world leader' or a 'politician'. All of these identities can be boiled down to a person deciding they (but not you) have the moral right and duty to violate everyone else's property and initiate force against them, even though these are widely accepted as immoral and unlawful ways to behave. And yet millions of people continue to 'affirm' such as identities with applause, cheering, bunting, flag waving, salutes and bumper stickers.
Many people identify as 'feminist' which is an identity of total self objectification, defining yourself as a passive and helpless victim of almost infinite male power and male malevolence - despite history showing quite clearly that men have always put themselves in harm's way to ensure women's protection, provision and comfort. Not only is the identity of 'feminist' affirmed in our society, it is actively encouraged and taught in schools, despite the huge damage this identity does to women's mental health and life choices.
As for transgender identities, we know hormone levels are in disarray in industrialised countries. We know endocrine disruptors are turning the frogs trans (not gay). We know hormones are very closely linked to gender identity. We know the age of fashion magazines (and now social media) is hugely misrepresentative of reality, and can be hugely damaging to the psyche of young people. We know that trauma and abuse (particularly of a sexual nature) often causes young people to want to escape their bodies, escape their puberty, create a 'disguise' and stay in childhood forever. We know that detransitioners often blame early sexual trauma (abuse, access to pornography etc) and social media echo chambers as the main drivers of their trans identity and desire to medically transition. Many of them never desired to 'be' the opposite sex at al, but rather put themselves in a kind of limbo state - a kind of peter pan safe zone.
The point being, a transgender identity is one of the LEAST outlandish identities a person can have.. especially the recent epidemic that we are witnessing, which is perhaps the easiest to understand (there are far more factors at play than I have mentioned).
It's tragic that young trans identifying people today are either 'affirmed' with no questions asked, or dismissed as deluded also with no questions asked. What they really need is for the grown ups to delve deeper and solve the puzzle that they are not mature enough to solve themselves. Affirming/ medicalising or dismissing/ ridiculing them does not solve their puzzle.
You've put your finger on exactly what's needed, "for the grown ups to delve deeper and solve the puzzle that they are not mature enough to solve themselves." Anyone who says, "The children know what they are" should be answered with "the hell they do!" and disregarded for the rest of the discussion. If you had an hour or so, I could tell you about the confusion and resulting turmoil I suffered about age 12 trying to cope with the emerging same sex attraction I was feeling. I certainly didn't have the words or concepts or experience to have any idea of what was going on. I did know it was contrary to what I had been told to expect, that it was not typical, and that it was not acceptable. I certainly wasn't going to talk about it with my parents or any adult, for that matter. Not a one of them could be trusted and would only attack me. (I did learn many years later I was completely wrong about my dad but entirely right about my mother.) I spun up all sorts of imaginary explanations as defensive mechanisms, including the immediately discarded notion that it meant I was "really" a girl or wanted to be. I finally settled on, "It's just a phase you're going through, and you'll outgrow it". I didn't, of course, but still had a hard time accepting the reality about myself. As a gay, white, man who grew up in Texas in the mid 20th century, I know I cannot have any reliable ideas about the minds of Blacks or other non whites, or heterosexuals, or women or non Texans, in some ways. To be blunt, I don't think practitioners dealing with children and adolescents with gender -related problems can possibly have any good ideas as to what their patients are dealing with or how to deal with it unless they themselves encountered similar difficulties.
I, Lotte Ingerslev, am a Danish psychotherapist who writes critical articles about gender ideology and gender medicine - on my blog transkoen.dk. My criticism of gender ideology has been mentioned in a national Danish newspaper.
I have written an extensive article about this particular study. The headline of my article is:
”New, large Danish study on the suicidal behavior of 'transgender individuals' lets down the group of people it pretends to help — Is this because the authors are scared to publish results that are not approved by the trans-activist ’commissar’ from an LGBT+ organization, who – oddly enough – is the co-author of the study?”
Here are some of the points I make in my article:
One of the 6 authors of the study is a trans activist, and the study is highly trans-ideologically biased.
The trans-activist bias in the study prevents important news from the data pool from being reported.
The reality-denying language in the study prevents us from truly examining the causes of suicidal behavior among trans-identifying people.
The obvious opportunity to explore on a national scale whether sex change operations help or harm people is wasted in the study.
In this study, certain causes of suicidal behavior are taboo.
All the data in the study are used to further a trans-activist agenda. The worst part is the study’s recommendations, which are based on white-washed results from data from self-declared trans-activist organizations, and which are dangerous for women.
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All the claims I make in my article are 100 % documented.
My article is in Danish, but you can press a button in Google and have it translated into English. (Google's translation is rather poor and inconsistent, but I think it will work for this purpose.)
If the raw data collected for this study were to be re-analyzed perhaps we could get a better idea of whether there is any benefit in "gender-affirming" care? One would have to control for mental illness in both the trans group and the control group. The trans group could then be sub-divided into those who undertook no medical gender therapy, those that took GnRH blockers and hormones, and those that also had surgery. Then, and only then, and with sufficient numbers and suitable follow-up, could we come to a conclusion. Those who would block such research are, I assume, afraid of the possible results. As a retired physician, I am only interested in actual facts, as they are the only way for us to know how to best help this group of young people. Anything less is likely to lead to substandard care and outcomes. If it did confirm that transitioning helps, well, we'd know what to do and could do it with good conscience. Otherwise we are making stabs in the dark, and all too likely getting it wrong.
One thing we do know, of 15,000 kids referred to the Tavistock Clinic over a ten year period, 4 committed suicide. 2 were on the waiting list still, and 2 were being treated. This throws no light on whether treatment reduces the risk of suicide, but it certainly shows it to be a very rare issue.
Totally agree with your post and I really like the clarity of your proposed analysis of the data. We need the gender treatment professionals to step back and re-evaluate the necessity, safety and effectiveness of "medical transitioning" for anyone, adult or child. We need to return to the scientific method, as you described in your post, and let go of emotional/religious commitments to observe the practices of gender ideology instead.
The Swedish study of death records, with a "transgender" post-op group (surgeries between 1973 and 2003, Cecelia Dheine, et al, Karolinska Inst. 2011) it was found that when death records of typical Swedes were age and income matched, the post op "trans" group had a 40 TIMES higher rate of death in females compared to the control group and the post op "trans" males had a 19 TIMES higher rate of suicide that "non-trans" cohort. The researchers hid the shocking female results by combining the results of both sexes. The entire "affirming" community does not recognize the society harm they commit by broadcasting the suicide narrative as their emotional blackmail on families. When my crossdressing husband blackmailed me with his suicide threats (he's alive, a tech exec, and owns fully an apt worth 3M in NYC, so hardly "oppressed") I reminded him that is how he would always be remembered and it is a failure of your moral and ethical mindset to talk this way to me or our young sons. The "movement" never takes responsibility for furthering social contagion suicides. They venerate death. And now, women who ideate a male persona and get pregnant (what could be more heteronormative?) want to stay on the T, although we know testosterone is a carcinogen and a teratogen, especially for the female fetus.
"The Swedish study of death records, with a "transgender" post-op group (surgeries between 1973 and 2003, Cecelia Dheine, et al, Karolinska Inst. 2011) it was found that when death records of typical Swedes were age and income matched, the post op "trans" group had a 40 TIMES higher rate of death in females compared to the control group and the post op "trans" males had a 19 TIMES higher rate of suicide that "non-trans" cohort."
It's good that the Swedish study compared suicide rates to non-trans individuals. What we don't know is what were the rates of chronic depression, personality disorder or other mental disorder within the post transition trans population. There needs to be a comparison group of people who have the same rates of depression and other mental illnesses associated with suicide. It's hard to imagine that trans-identified people would commit suicide in significant numbers if they weren't depressed at the time.
I think it goes without saying. They remove a male's testicles, record his euphoria 6 months later and do not follow up. These guys, like my ex-husband, Neddy, have the false idea that they will attract heterosexual men. Doesn't happen. Hetero men want to have an authentic, genuine sex life with a woman. (I'd prefer they restrict themselves to one at a time, just sayin') Men who have a "jock sock" where they claim to have a "neo vagina" are not able to respond the same as a woman. They do not have the nerve endings. The sock is made out of tilapia fish or something. Or their large intestine. When straight guys get that, they aren't going to stay. "Passing" is and always will be a myth.
I'd say at this point, that there's no perfect way to assess co-morbidities, as 'the movement" has taken on cult behavior.
If the guy starts out being attracted to men, one wonders why they wouldn't call themselves gay and skip all the hormones and surgeries. Most of the trans identified males I have met started out as hetero guys. They then try to be "lesbians" and get rejected by nearly everybody. It also turns out that they can't necessarily have orgasms with their "neo vaginas," even when they are made out of inverted penis tissue. And as you said, the trans identified males seldom can pass as women, no matter how many surgeries they have.
The trans identified females often do better, at least if they started out living as butch lesbians. The adolescent girls are another matter, as we have all been observing. A lot of them are feminine to begin with, and not gay either.
Men should not call themselves any kind of lesbian. They should stop watching pornography, start working outside in the garden, start thinking how they can help others as opposed to the reverse, do mind/body work such as chiropractic acupressure, Feldenkrais physical therapy, Alexander body work. They would be so much better served by quality psychotherapy for the trauma they most likely experienced in childhood. Women have been told to accept these dudes in our spaces, groups and associations because "it's so rare." Now that its a social contagion, and it isn't so rare, we have to make clear boundaries for our female category.
I wonder how much research and how many articles it will take to overcome the lie that a child will commit suicide unless she/he is medically transitioned ASAP. I wonder if the gender clinics in the U.S. will applaud the fact that the suicide completion rate is so much lower than they have claimed, or if they will continue to advance the false claims. If the true rate of suicide among trans-identified people is attributable primarily to depression, will the gender treatment industry in the U.S. drop hormones and surgery as their first line approach to treating depression? When?
I am glad to see that there is research focus on psychopathology and mortality from all sources among trans-identified people. It seems like investigators who focus on these subjects do need some help with research design, especially with respect to choice of comparison groups for the trans-identified patients.
Humility. The best physicians have genuine humility. It is the ability to openly state deficits in knowledge and understanding and to seek knowledge and understanding. The only true orthodoxy lies in mathematical truth, not in elegant sophistry or the “virtue” of a hive. I am disappointed in the AMA, the APA, and the AACAP for ingesting the woke mandate of trans activism. While I support the equality of all human beings, children merit the protection of the tribe when the parents are possessed by demons. The question to be asked by all clinicians working with late onset or acute onset gender dysphoria is what is the organizing diagnosis to explain the big picture. In psychiatry, comorbidities is generally the rule and not the exception. Perhaps using multivariate regression models which consider the multiple symptoms, circumstances, and diagnoses would provide greater clarity. Psychiatry has become reductionistic, insisting that cookbook diagnoses suffice from the DSM5, famously science by committee. I have yet to meet a late onset or acute onset transgender who did not also have depression, anxiety, and significant personality disorders (usually borderline personality disorder). Is it the chicken or the egg, which came first? I believe that most of the time the identity diffusion criterion for borderline personality disorder is guided by social contagion to what we see as the explosion in transgenderism. Psychiatrists have been terrified of professional society opprobrium and loss of livelihood for not endorsing uncontested transgenderism. Now, even corporate board rooms are suggesting that everyone list their pronouns in emails signatures. There is a new “inquisition” in medicine which demands that all physicians believe the woke gospel. Any disagreement is tantamount to some -ism. I celebrate the advent of public discourse which platforms like Substack allows, and yet I still need to remain anonymous to the world.
I was a little surprised; the rate was lower than I expected. The notes I have on my observations - Trans Manifesto - the likely source of the feeling, which is the difference between the brain’s model of what the body is and what perception is - that cannot ever be made whole.
That difference creates almost undefinable and intolerable sensations of imminent catastrophe as with other mind/body mapping problems.
In the case of anorexia, no matter how thin you get, you see yourself as fat.
With trans, no matter how much to try to present as the opposite sex (makeup, surgery, social recognition) you can never see yourself as the opposite sex.
I suspect that as people realize in the process of transition that the feelings don’t resolve, they go on a path to suicide due to the possibly intolerable situation.
My original notes suggested that we might see the consistent rates of suicide at all stages of transition because the problem source is never altered.
I wonder what else my notes will be found consistent with. Another effect is also suggestibility...
I know of 4 suicides by trans widows (ex-wives of suddenly "female identifying" husbands) in my collection of the experiential details from over 50 of us. As well, this cohort reports that 4 children of cross-sex identifying fathers expressed suicidal ideation, 2 hospitalized after a serious attempt and 1 who also engaged in the self-harm of "cutting." As detransitioner, Ritchie Herron posits, this cult venerates death. It might be useful to have a linguistic analysis of how often they refer to death and suicide in their literature, as the social contagion influencing suicide attempts is well-known. The emotional blackmail of threatening suicide to family members is a phenomenon in mentally ill narcissists.
Amy, Your story cuts deep. I am so sorry. It makes me so sick when I know your life story and all of our life stories are very real and true yet the world is against us. Like we are the monsters in this fight. Seriously. You and your family have suffered so needlessly because of an ideology that is not based in reality. And you are right, as mothers and fathers, if the actual end result was that our children transitioned into happier healthy people on the other side, that would be something. But they are not! They are miserable and angry and addicted. This is what ‘healthcare’ is these days? Just despicable. The trans-life does not promote life it promotes death. Death to our children and death to us. The death cult. Deathcare.
Jesus Christ. I don’t know if this is real or not, but if so, I’m very sorry. That is horrible. My worst nightmare. I’ll tell you, heaven help anyone that attempts to indoctrinate my child in this way. That is one of those things I will go to jail for - and I don’t think that’s even a controversial thing to say.
Regarding suidice rates in the transgender community, a study shows that surgery and hormones did nothing to alleviate suicide rates:
*No mental health benefit of hormonal interventions was demonstrated
*No mental health benefit of "gender-affirming" surgery was demonstrated
https://segm.org/ajp_correction_2020
“...the authors did not control for mental illness when assessing suicidal attempts and deaths.”
Yes, because by definition, transgender = mentally ill. 100% incidence rate. Whether it be depression or borderline personality disorder or worse. They all have something.
Transgenderism is a mental illness and medical research should be directed at preventing that illness. It borders on madness to placate the transgender delusion. That approach is like treating a paranoid schizophrenic by confirming their delusions of persecution. The recent increase in transexualism must have a cause so life-saving research efforts should be directed toward understanding that cause and reversing it.
I agree. We’re living in clown world.
Well, the cause seems to be indoctrination and propaganda in schools, media and online specifically targeted at vulnerable children and young adults. We don't need research efforts, we need to counter and stop the propaganda.
I couldn't agree with you more and my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek. However, the sad fact is that courts and other authorities look to scientific research and not our opinions or even common sense to make decisions. They rely on "scientific" data and publications, and at present almost all the "scientific" literature is delusional propaganda churned out by sadistic monsters who mutilate children for a living.
It's frustrating that doctors and "influencers" keep doubling-down on transgenderism as the "answer," when we all know full and well that every "trans" person has issues that go unattended because they're now focused on crafting their new "identity". It's like throwing glitter on top of sludge.
It's sad that doctors are mistreating the mentally unstable and society's "outcasts" by telling them that they need to undergo these surgeries and "therapies."
I know it's sarcastic to ask, but if a child announced he was Jesus and maintained that identification persistently and insistantly, would anyone suggest we "affirm"the belief? Or would we suggest professional help, probably in an inpatient setting?
We’re well past Jesus. At a grade school near my house there is a 12 year old girl who identifies as a lizard. A friend’s son got suspended for making fun of said lizard.
They’re already doing this in China to some (unknown) degree. Under the pretense of AIDS immunity they altered twins genetic makeup. The side effect was also increased mental acuity. Pretty wild stuff.
" if a child announced he was Jesus and maintained that identification persistently and insistantly, would anyone suggest we "affirm"the belief?"
What if they identify as a 'king' or a 'princess' or a 'world leader' or a 'politician'. All of these identities can be boiled down to a person deciding they (but not you) have the moral right and duty to violate everyone else's property and initiate force against them, even though these are widely accepted as immoral and unlawful ways to behave. And yet millions of people continue to 'affirm' such as identities with applause, cheering, bunting, flag waving, salutes and bumper stickers.
Many people identify as 'feminist' which is an identity of total self objectification, defining yourself as a passive and helpless victim of almost infinite male power and male malevolence - despite history showing quite clearly that men have always put themselves in harm's way to ensure women's protection, provision and comfort. Not only is the identity of 'feminist' affirmed in our society, it is actively encouraged and taught in schools, despite the huge damage this identity does to women's mental health and life choices.
As for transgender identities, we know hormone levels are in disarray in industrialised countries. We know endocrine disruptors are turning the frogs trans (not gay). We know hormones are very closely linked to gender identity. We know the age of fashion magazines (and now social media) is hugely misrepresentative of reality, and can be hugely damaging to the psyche of young people. We know that trauma and abuse (particularly of a sexual nature) often causes young people to want to escape their bodies, escape their puberty, create a 'disguise' and stay in childhood forever. We know that detransitioners often blame early sexual trauma (abuse, access to pornography etc) and social media echo chambers as the main drivers of their trans identity and desire to medically transition. Many of them never desired to 'be' the opposite sex at al, but rather put themselves in a kind of limbo state - a kind of peter pan safe zone.
The point being, a transgender identity is one of the LEAST outlandish identities a person can have.. especially the recent epidemic that we are witnessing, which is perhaps the easiest to understand (there are far more factors at play than I have mentioned).
It's tragic that young trans identifying people today are either 'affirmed' with no questions asked, or dismissed as deluded also with no questions asked. What they really need is for the grown ups to delve deeper and solve the puzzle that they are not mature enough to solve themselves. Affirming/ medicalising or dismissing/ ridiculing them does not solve their puzzle.
You've put your finger on exactly what's needed, "for the grown ups to delve deeper and solve the puzzle that they are not mature enough to solve themselves." Anyone who says, "The children know what they are" should be answered with "the hell they do!" and disregarded for the rest of the discussion. If you had an hour or so, I could tell you about the confusion and resulting turmoil I suffered about age 12 trying to cope with the emerging same sex attraction I was feeling. I certainly didn't have the words or concepts or experience to have any idea of what was going on. I did know it was contrary to what I had been told to expect, that it was not typical, and that it was not acceptable. I certainly wasn't going to talk about it with my parents or any adult, for that matter. Not a one of them could be trusted and would only attack me. (I did learn many years later I was completely wrong about my dad but entirely right about my mother.) I spun up all sorts of imaginary explanations as defensive mechanisms, including the immediately discarded notion that it meant I was "really" a girl or wanted to be. I finally settled on, "It's just a phase you're going through, and you'll outgrow it". I didn't, of course, but still had a hard time accepting the reality about myself. As a gay, white, man who grew up in Texas in the mid 20th century, I know I cannot have any reliable ideas about the minds of Blacks or other non whites, or heterosexuals, or women or non Texans, in some ways. To be blunt, I don't think practitioners dealing with children and adolescents with gender -related problems can possibly have any good ideas as to what their patients are dealing with or how to deal with it unless they themselves encountered similar difficulties.
I, Lotte Ingerslev, am a Danish psychotherapist who writes critical articles about gender ideology and gender medicine - on my blog transkoen.dk. My criticism of gender ideology has been mentioned in a national Danish newspaper.
I have written an extensive article about this particular study. The headline of my article is:
”New, large Danish study on the suicidal behavior of 'transgender individuals' lets down the group of people it pretends to help — Is this because the authors are scared to publish results that are not approved by the trans-activist ’commissar’ from an LGBT+ organization, who – oddly enough – is the co-author of the study?”
Here are some of the points I make in my article:
One of the 6 authors of the study is a trans activist, and the study is highly trans-ideologically biased.
The trans-activist bias in the study prevents important news from the data pool from being reported.
The reality-denying language in the study prevents us from truly examining the causes of suicidal behavior among trans-identifying people.
The obvious opportunity to explore on a national scale whether sex change operations help or harm people is wasted in the study.
In this study, certain causes of suicidal behavior are taboo.
All the data in the study are used to further a trans-activist agenda. The worst part is the study’s recommendations, which are based on white-washed results from data from self-declared trans-activist organizations, and which are dangerous for women.
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All the claims I make in my article are 100 % documented.
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My article can be found here: https://www.transkoen.dk/2023/07/16/ny-stor-dansk-undersoegelse-om-selvmordsadfaerden-hos-transkoennede-svigter-den-gruppe-mennesker-man-foregiver-at-ville-hjaelpe-er-aarsagen-at-forskergruppen-ikke-to/
My article is in Danish, but you can press a button in Google and have it translated into English. (Google's translation is rather poor and inconsistent, but I think it will work for this purpose.)
If the raw data collected for this study were to be re-analyzed perhaps we could get a better idea of whether there is any benefit in "gender-affirming" care? One would have to control for mental illness in both the trans group and the control group. The trans group could then be sub-divided into those who undertook no medical gender therapy, those that took GnRH blockers and hormones, and those that also had surgery. Then, and only then, and with sufficient numbers and suitable follow-up, could we come to a conclusion. Those who would block such research are, I assume, afraid of the possible results. As a retired physician, I am only interested in actual facts, as they are the only way for us to know how to best help this group of young people. Anything less is likely to lead to substandard care and outcomes. If it did confirm that transitioning helps, well, we'd know what to do and could do it with good conscience. Otherwise we are making stabs in the dark, and all too likely getting it wrong.
One thing we do know, of 15,000 kids referred to the Tavistock Clinic over a ten year period, 4 committed suicide. 2 were on the waiting list still, and 2 were being treated. This throws no light on whether treatment reduces the risk of suicide, but it certainly shows it to be a very rare issue.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-022-02287-7
Totally agree with your post and I really like the clarity of your proposed analysis of the data. We need the gender treatment professionals to step back and re-evaluate the necessity, safety and effectiveness of "medical transitioning" for anyone, adult or child. We need to return to the scientific method, as you described in your post, and let go of emotional/religious commitments to observe the practices of gender ideology instead.
The Swedish study of death records, with a "transgender" post-op group (surgeries between 1973 and 2003, Cecelia Dheine, et al, Karolinska Inst. 2011) it was found that when death records of typical Swedes were age and income matched, the post op "trans" group had a 40 TIMES higher rate of death in females compared to the control group and the post op "trans" males had a 19 TIMES higher rate of suicide that "non-trans" cohort. The researchers hid the shocking female results by combining the results of both sexes. The entire "affirming" community does not recognize the society harm they commit by broadcasting the suicide narrative as their emotional blackmail on families. When my crossdressing husband blackmailed me with his suicide threats (he's alive, a tech exec, and owns fully an apt worth 3M in NYC, so hardly "oppressed") I reminded him that is how he would always be remembered and it is a failure of your moral and ethical mindset to talk this way to me or our young sons. The "movement" never takes responsibility for furthering social contagion suicides. They venerate death. And now, women who ideate a male persona and get pregnant (what could be more heteronormative?) want to stay on the T, although we know testosterone is a carcinogen and a teratogen, especially for the female fetus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiExAAxYgso&t=9s
"The Swedish study of death records, with a "transgender" post-op group (surgeries between 1973 and 2003, Cecelia Dheine, et al, Karolinska Inst. 2011) it was found that when death records of typical Swedes were age and income matched, the post op "trans" group had a 40 TIMES higher rate of death in females compared to the control group and the post op "trans" males had a 19 TIMES higher rate of suicide that "non-trans" cohort."
It's good that the Swedish study compared suicide rates to non-trans individuals. What we don't know is what were the rates of chronic depression, personality disorder or other mental disorder within the post transition trans population. There needs to be a comparison group of people who have the same rates of depression and other mental illnesses associated with suicide. It's hard to imagine that trans-identified people would commit suicide in significant numbers if they weren't depressed at the time.
I think it goes without saying. They remove a male's testicles, record his euphoria 6 months later and do not follow up. These guys, like my ex-husband, Neddy, have the false idea that they will attract heterosexual men. Doesn't happen. Hetero men want to have an authentic, genuine sex life with a woman. (I'd prefer they restrict themselves to one at a time, just sayin') Men who have a "jock sock" where they claim to have a "neo vagina" are not able to respond the same as a woman. They do not have the nerve endings. The sock is made out of tilapia fish or something. Or their large intestine. When straight guys get that, they aren't going to stay. "Passing" is and always will be a myth.
I'd say at this point, that there's no perfect way to assess co-morbidities, as 'the movement" has taken on cult behavior.
If the guy starts out being attracted to men, one wonders why they wouldn't call themselves gay and skip all the hormones and surgeries. Most of the trans identified males I have met started out as hetero guys. They then try to be "lesbians" and get rejected by nearly everybody. It also turns out that they can't necessarily have orgasms with their "neo vaginas," even when they are made out of inverted penis tissue. And as you said, the trans identified males seldom can pass as women, no matter how many surgeries they have.
The trans identified females often do better, at least if they started out living as butch lesbians. The adolescent girls are another matter, as we have all been observing. A lot of them are feminine to begin with, and not gay either.
Men should not call themselves any kind of lesbian. They should stop watching pornography, start working outside in the garden, start thinking how they can help others as opposed to the reverse, do mind/body work such as chiropractic acupressure, Feldenkrais physical therapy, Alexander body work. They would be so much better served by quality psychotherapy for the trauma they most likely experienced in childhood. Women have been told to accept these dudes in our spaces, groups and associations because "it's so rare." Now that its a social contagion, and it isn't so rare, we have to make clear boundaries for our female category.
I wonder how much research and how many articles it will take to overcome the lie that a child will commit suicide unless she/he is medically transitioned ASAP. I wonder if the gender clinics in the U.S. will applaud the fact that the suicide completion rate is so much lower than they have claimed, or if they will continue to advance the false claims. If the true rate of suicide among trans-identified people is attributable primarily to depression, will the gender treatment industry in the U.S. drop hormones and surgery as their first line approach to treating depression? When?
I am glad to see that there is research focus on psychopathology and mortality from all sources among trans-identified people. It seems like investigators who focus on these subjects do need some help with research design, especially with respect to choice of comparison groups for the trans-identified patients.
Humility. The best physicians have genuine humility. It is the ability to openly state deficits in knowledge and understanding and to seek knowledge and understanding. The only true orthodoxy lies in mathematical truth, not in elegant sophistry or the “virtue” of a hive. I am disappointed in the AMA, the APA, and the AACAP for ingesting the woke mandate of trans activism. While I support the equality of all human beings, children merit the protection of the tribe when the parents are possessed by demons. The question to be asked by all clinicians working with late onset or acute onset gender dysphoria is what is the organizing diagnosis to explain the big picture. In psychiatry, comorbidities is generally the rule and not the exception. Perhaps using multivariate regression models which consider the multiple symptoms, circumstances, and diagnoses would provide greater clarity. Psychiatry has become reductionistic, insisting that cookbook diagnoses suffice from the DSM5, famously science by committee. I have yet to meet a late onset or acute onset transgender who did not also have depression, anxiety, and significant personality disorders (usually borderline personality disorder). Is it the chicken or the egg, which came first? I believe that most of the time the identity diffusion criterion for borderline personality disorder is guided by social contagion to what we see as the explosion in transgenderism. Psychiatrists have been terrified of professional society opprobrium and loss of livelihood for not endorsing uncontested transgenderism. Now, even corporate board rooms are suggesting that everyone list their pronouns in emails signatures. There is a new “inquisition” in medicine which demands that all physicians believe the woke gospel. Any disagreement is tantamount to some -ism. I celebrate the advent of public discourse which platforms like Substack allows, and yet I still need to remain anonymous to the world.
I was a little surprised; the rate was lower than I expected. The notes I have on my observations - Trans Manifesto - the likely source of the feeling, which is the difference between the brain’s model of what the body is and what perception is - that cannot ever be made whole.
That difference creates almost undefinable and intolerable sensations of imminent catastrophe as with other mind/body mapping problems.
In the case of anorexia, no matter how thin you get, you see yourself as fat.
With trans, no matter how much to try to present as the opposite sex (makeup, surgery, social recognition) you can never see yourself as the opposite sex.
I suspect that as people realize in the process of transition that the feelings don’t resolve, they go on a path to suicide due to the possibly intolerable situation.
My original notes suggested that we might see the consistent rates of suicide at all stages of transition because the problem source is never altered.
I wonder what else my notes will be found consistent with. Another effect is also suggestibility...
I know of 4 suicides by trans widows (ex-wives of suddenly "female identifying" husbands) in my collection of the experiential details from over 50 of us. As well, this cohort reports that 4 children of cross-sex identifying fathers expressed suicidal ideation, 2 hospitalized after a serious attempt and 1 who also engaged in the self-harm of "cutting." As detransitioner, Ritchie Herron posits, this cult venerates death. It might be useful to have a linguistic analysis of how often they refer to death and suicide in their literature, as the social contagion influencing suicide attempts is well-known. The emotional blackmail of threatening suicide to family members is a phenomenon in mentally ill narcissists.
Amy, Your story cuts deep. I am so sorry. It makes me so sick when I know your life story and all of our life stories are very real and true yet the world is against us. Like we are the monsters in this fight. Seriously. You and your family have suffered so needlessly because of an ideology that is not based in reality. And you are right, as mothers and fathers, if the actual end result was that our children transitioned into happier healthy people on the other side, that would be something. But they are not! They are miserable and angry and addicted. This is what ‘healthcare’ is these days? Just despicable. The trans-life does not promote life it promotes death. Death to our children and death to us. The death cult. Deathcare.
Sending hugs.
Jesus Christ. I don’t know if this is real or not, but if so, I’m very sorry. That is horrible. My worst nightmare. I’ll tell you, heaven help anyone that attempts to indoctrinate my child in this way. That is one of those things I will go to jail for - and I don’t think that’s even a controversial thing to say.
This is so sad. My genuine condolences for the many losses.