Ignoring detransitioners is a tacit admission that this is a serious problem. If this were simply part of a "gender journey," the WPATH, Endocrine Society, AAP, etc. would happily discuss it. Detransitioners are being ignored by these associations because detransitioners prove that the affirmation model is faulty at best and a startling failure at worst. The very idea that a young person can "know" both that they certainly will never be happy unless they chemically and/or surgically alter their appearance to that of the opposite sex and are treated as if they were the opposite sex by society, and that the obvious medical risks and unavoidable side effects will be well worth it, is absurd. If a fully mature, mentally healthy person wants to take those risks, I don't suppose we can or should stop them from embarking on this path. However, serving up this path to our youth on a silver platter - and informing young people that there is no other viable path - is one of the most irresponsible decisions the medical community has ever made. It rivals the opioid crisis, but the phenomenon is in many ways worse because the medical community is joined by the whole of society. School, colleges and universities, local, state and federal government, major corporations, all forms of media, etc. are pushing the affirmation model on our youth, and ignoring the detransitioners' siren. My thanks to SEGM for this.
"is one of the most irresponsible decisions the medical community has ever made. It rivals the opioid crisis," -- I'd say it also rivals the lobotomy days.
Indeed, in addition these CHILDREN, are not told of the severity of these surgeies, and their incapacity to actually change them into truly functional opposite sex. They are effectively left in nowhere land, (some would say butchered) and some folk shamefully got paid well to do this destruction. It is far worse then talked about, as humans that take such a sad desperate attempt which such sever long term results, will naturally be very reluctant to admit the negative permacy of what they have done(Just as many vaccine harmed, will not consider the possibiltie that the vaccines caused the harm they are experiencing) It is tragic.
What makes anybody think they have the right to permenantley remove the ability to create a human life from a child, whom has no real capacity to understand that decision?
Well said. As long as detransers are ignored, put down, told 'they weren't real trans' therefore it's their own fault, they threaten and intimidate detransers into silence, it's a killersex cult. As long as detransing is not 'OFFICIALLY' documented, ,they can insist that there is no harm to the Rx and Tx, but that won't last, when enough casualties pile up, all of the advocates will insist 'no one told them' that they are the 'real victims' they'll go DARVO and blame everyone else. The morbidity/mortality rates associated with the use of the Rx and Tx is going to be HUGE. We KNOW that hormones can cause all manner of problems, from cancer to organ failure.
The "gender" practitioners, whether mental health, endocrinologists or surgeons, should be saying to the patient, "Medical ethics prevent me from guiding you down the hormones/surgery path. Because it is long term damage to your body and deep damage to the family and society."
I'm collecting data on trans widows, women divorced from crossdressing men. If the "Dutch Protocols" can be based on exit survey results of only 33 subjects, then a collection of data on the patterns of behavior towards the family by crossdressing men is valid if I've got 100 subjects. The 20 question survey for trans widows:
Thank you. The more medical evidence that is made public the better.
I am worried about doctors currently in training in the UK. One is my son, soon to be a paediatric consultant, who heartily disagrees with my gender critical views and believes in affirmative care.
The de-transitioner stories break my heart. This was preventable and it seems more lives and bodies will be damaged, despite these stories being made public.
The cohort was, (before the systematic indoctrination of the children) young men of around 20, and middle aged men with autogynephilia surely? Not pre pubescent boys. Nevertheless, as this article says, the children involved are mainly girls and they are sure as hell not suffering from a condition that is peculiar nearly always to grown men.
I think we are letting the involved clinicians off the hook too easily in the way we talk about detransition.
We talk about "regret", as if it was a cosmetic procedure they changed their mind about. But trans activists and their clinical allies claim that medical transition is a medically necessary treatment. They also claim that detransitioners "were never trans".
By medical criteria, detransitioners didn't change their minds. They were misdiagnosed. As if the clinician told them they had cancer when they really just had an infection.
It wasn't the patient's mistake. It was the doctor's mistake. That's malpractice. Every single detransitioner has a valid claim of malpractice against their clinic.
I'm not hyper-religious (I'm deist), but it'll be interesting to see how common religiosity/spirituality will become among detransitioners (if it's not already prominent). This, I imagine, will definitely help people cope with detransition, as we've seen in cases like Oli London.
I consulted my pocket oracle: Serious concern and caution should be exercised when considering a cosmetic procedure with a 30% failure rate that can result in lifelong sterility and disfiguration. Prioritizing long-term health and exploring alternative options is advised.
Back to watchful waiting with psychological support as the least risky approach to distressed children, the actual standard of care.
(You know, breast implants have a 25% failure rate, and have been on a 20-year declining trend, with an increase in implant removal.)
Can someone please tell me how the ridiculous phrase "gender affirming care" came to be babbled by the highy educated people known as physicians? Perhaps we should now refer to breast implants in females as "large boob affirming care," or in a similar vein, "smaller nose affirming care," "rounder hips affirming care," "wrinkle removal affirming care," etc. Just asking for a friend.
We cannot discredit gender affirming care without going after Conversion Therapy laws that were always illegitimate. These laws are political power plays designed to reinforce the the normalization of perversion.
I am sorry to say this, but I'm all out of patience. All out of compassion & sympathy.–which I once had! This commenter on Exulansic's page took the words out of my mouth: "I want to be clear about this: I do not care about these people. I have zero compassion for them. I am not even slightly moved or concerned about their self-removal statistics. When I hear threats of suicide, my only thought is that I know those are idle threats and I wish someone would publicize that fact. And I will say this too, even though some will hate me for it; if their public suicidal ideation were true, I would be just fine with that, provided they just did it instead of yelling about it all day every day and forcing us to listen." I'm sick of the Deluxe Trans Citizenry and their bottomless, obnoxious entitlement. I just want these homophobic, misogynistic lunatics to go away. PS the video, like all Exulansic's masterful work is profound and morbidly fascinating. https://exulansic.substack.com/p/mastectochism-people-meat
Please don't use the word "gender". It's confusing. "Gender" is a linguistic term in Germanic languages (like mine, Icelandic) where nouns are gendered (not "sexed"): hann, hún, það (he, she, it). German: er, sie, es. Use SEX Thank you
I agree. It's a worthless word without fixed meaning. It's not even an ideology, but an idea offered to those experiencing not only sex dysphoria but a myriad of other problems: If they can get a legal sex change, with or without medical interventions, their life will be improved. This idea applies to men trapped in a sex addiction or a male prison as well as to children struggling with puberty changes. Call it the "legal sex change" idea.
Thanks for being so clear about your position. It is this belief that trans is the successor to gay equality that animates all of my liberal friends. If only it was that simple. Here is the one catastrophic difference. Being gay does not encourage or require significant medical intervention. The article above makes it clear that this one difference is significant enough to make obvious to any objective observer that trans is NOT equivalent to gay.
> Two men rented a woman’s womb so they could buy her baby.
> The woman received an aggressive cancer diagnosis 24 weeks into the pregnancy, requiring medical care incompatible with pregnancy.
> The baby was viable, so she wanted to induce labor, but the dads refused. They didn’t want a premie or the health challenges associated with it. But they weren’t willing to let anyone else adopt the baby either because they didn’t want to live with the knowledge that their “DNA” was out there in the world.
> They tried to force termination of the pregnancy and refused all life-saving measures should the baby be born alive.
Ignoring detransitioners is a tacit admission that this is a serious problem. If this were simply part of a "gender journey," the WPATH, Endocrine Society, AAP, etc. would happily discuss it. Detransitioners are being ignored by these associations because detransitioners prove that the affirmation model is faulty at best and a startling failure at worst. The very idea that a young person can "know" both that they certainly will never be happy unless they chemically and/or surgically alter their appearance to that of the opposite sex and are treated as if they were the opposite sex by society, and that the obvious medical risks and unavoidable side effects will be well worth it, is absurd. If a fully mature, mentally healthy person wants to take those risks, I don't suppose we can or should stop them from embarking on this path. However, serving up this path to our youth on a silver platter - and informing young people that there is no other viable path - is one of the most irresponsible decisions the medical community has ever made. It rivals the opioid crisis, but the phenomenon is in many ways worse because the medical community is joined by the whole of society. School, colleges and universities, local, state and federal government, major corporations, all forms of media, etc. are pushing the affirmation model on our youth, and ignoring the detransitioners' siren. My thanks to SEGM for this.
"is one of the most irresponsible decisions the medical community has ever made. It rivals the opioid crisis," -- I'd say it also rivals the lobotomy days.
Indeed, in addition these CHILDREN, are not told of the severity of these surgeies, and their incapacity to actually change them into truly functional opposite sex. They are effectively left in nowhere land, (some would say butchered) and some folk shamefully got paid well to do this destruction. It is far worse then talked about, as humans that take such a sad desperate attempt which such sever long term results, will naturally be very reluctant to admit the negative permacy of what they have done(Just as many vaccine harmed, will not consider the possibiltie that the vaccines caused the harm they are experiencing) It is tragic.
Yes, absolutely tragic.
What makes anybody think they have the right to permenantley remove the ability to create a human life from a child, whom has no real capacity to understand that decision?
Greed. Lust for power and control. Eugenics. Psychopathy. Take your pick.
Well said. As long as detransers are ignored, put down, told 'they weren't real trans' therefore it's their own fault, they threaten and intimidate detransers into silence, it's a killersex cult. As long as detransing is not 'OFFICIALLY' documented, ,they can insist that there is no harm to the Rx and Tx, but that won't last, when enough casualties pile up, all of the advocates will insist 'no one told them' that they are the 'real victims' they'll go DARVO and blame everyone else. The morbidity/mortality rates associated with the use of the Rx and Tx is going to be HUGE. We KNOW that hormones can cause all manner of problems, from cancer to organ failure.
The "gender" practitioners, whether mental health, endocrinologists or surgeons, should be saying to the patient, "Medical ethics prevent me from guiding you down the hormones/surgery path. Because it is long term damage to your body and deep damage to the family and society."
I'm collecting data on trans widows, women divorced from crossdressing men. If the "Dutch Protocols" can be based on exit survey results of only 33 subjects, then a collection of data on the patterns of behavior towards the family by crossdressing men is valid if I've got 100 subjects. The 20 question survey for trans widows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H4aDv-AmMk&t=103s
Thank you. The more medical evidence that is made public the better.
I am worried about doctors currently in training in the UK. One is my son, soon to be a paediatric consultant, who heartily disagrees with my gender critical views and believes in affirmative care.
The de-transitioner stories break my heart. This was preventable and it seems more lives and bodies will be damaged, despite these stories being made public.
The cohort was, (before the systematic indoctrination of the children) young men of around 20, and middle aged men with autogynephilia surely? Not pre pubescent boys. Nevertheless, as this article says, the children involved are mainly girls and they are sure as hell not suffering from a condition that is peculiar nearly always to grown men.
I think we are letting the involved clinicians off the hook too easily in the way we talk about detransition.
We talk about "regret", as if it was a cosmetic procedure they changed their mind about. But trans activists and their clinical allies claim that medical transition is a medically necessary treatment. They also claim that detransitioners "were never trans".
By medical criteria, detransitioners didn't change their minds. They were misdiagnosed. As if the clinician told them they had cancer when they really just had an infection.
It wasn't the patient's mistake. It was the doctor's mistake. That's malpractice. Every single detransitioner has a valid claim of malpractice against their clinic.
I'm not hyper-religious (I'm deist), but it'll be interesting to see how common religiosity/spirituality will become among detransitioners (if it's not already prominent). This, I imagine, will definitely help people cope with detransition, as we've seen in cases like Oli London.
I consulted my pocket oracle: Serious concern and caution should be exercised when considering a cosmetic procedure with a 30% failure rate that can result in lifelong sterility and disfiguration. Prioritizing long-term health and exploring alternative options is advised.
Back to watchful waiting with psychological support as the least risky approach to distressed children, the actual standard of care.
(You know, breast implants have a 25% failure rate, and have been on a 20-year declining trend, with an increase in implant removal.)
Can someone please tell me how the ridiculous phrase "gender affirming care" came to be babbled by the highy educated people known as physicians? Perhaps we should now refer to breast implants in females as "large boob affirming care," or in a similar vein, "smaller nose affirming care," "rounder hips affirming care," "wrinkle removal affirming care," etc. Just asking for a friend.
I forgot. There's another one! "Muscle head affirming care" for the steroid junkies at the gym.
We cannot discredit gender affirming care without going after Conversion Therapy laws that were always illegitimate. These laws are political power plays designed to reinforce the the normalization of perversion.
Yes. Michigan, USA just passed one:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/28/conversion-therapy-michigan-ban-lgbtq/27c5c898-15c5-11ee-9de3-ba1fa29e9bec_story.html
Thank you. Please keep up the good work.
I am sorry to say this, but I'm all out of patience. All out of compassion & sympathy.–which I once had! This commenter on Exulansic's page took the words out of my mouth: "I want to be clear about this: I do not care about these people. I have zero compassion for them. I am not even slightly moved or concerned about their self-removal statistics. When I hear threats of suicide, my only thought is that I know those are idle threats and I wish someone would publicize that fact. And I will say this too, even though some will hate me for it; if their public suicidal ideation were true, I would be just fine with that, provided they just did it instead of yelling about it all day every day and forcing us to listen." I'm sick of the Deluxe Trans Citizenry and their bottomless, obnoxious entitlement. I just want these homophobic, misogynistic lunatics to go away. PS the video, like all Exulansic's masterful work is profound and morbidly fascinating. https://exulansic.substack.com/p/mastectochism-people-meat
Please don't use the word "gender". It's confusing. "Gender" is a linguistic term in Germanic languages (like mine, Icelandic) where nouns are gendered (not "sexed"): hann, hún, það (he, she, it). German: er, sie, es. Use SEX Thank you
I agree. It's a worthless word without fixed meaning. It's not even an ideology, but an idea offered to those experiencing not only sex dysphoria but a myriad of other problems: If they can get a legal sex change, with or without medical interventions, their life will be improved. This idea applies to men trapped in a sex addiction or a male prison as well as to children struggling with puberty changes. Call it the "legal sex change" idea.
> It looks like we are (please, let it be real) approaching such a transition in this "gender ideology" thing.
We already had such a transition. That's how "trans" became this ubiquitous in the first place.
> "Trans" as the successor to gay equality
Frankly, it is.
Thanks for being so clear about your position. It is this belief that trans is the successor to gay equality that animates all of my liberal friends. If only it was that simple. Here is the one catastrophic difference. Being gay does not encourage or require significant medical intervention. The article above makes it clear that this one difference is significant enough to make obvious to any objective observer that trans is NOT equivalent to gay.
So what do you think of the recent trend of gays renting women's wombs, especially when stuff like this happens?
https://archive.is/y8RMC
> Two men rented a woman’s womb so they could buy her baby.
> The woman received an aggressive cancer diagnosis 24 weeks into the pregnancy, requiring medical care incompatible with pregnancy.
> The baby was viable, so she wanted to induce labor, but the dads refused. They didn’t want a premie or the health challenges associated with it. But they weren’t willing to let anyone else adopt the baby either because they didn’t want to live with the knowledge that their “DNA” was out there in the world.
> They tried to force termination of the pregnancy and refused all life-saving measures should the baby be born alive.
> The baby was induced and left to die.
> Unlettered science-denying bigot.
Seems like I touched a nerve.
> Being gay does not encourage or require significant medical intervention.
Not counting treatment for all the STDs gays tend to accumulate. In any case, you fail to explain why that difference is relevant.
Please, read the article we are all responding to.
Bigot (n) Someone who disagrees with a leftist.
You, like most people, can't recognize truth because you've made a falsehood part of your identity.
Back to projecting, I see.