Ignoring detransitioners is a tacit admission that this is a serious problem. If this were simply part of a "gender journey," the WPATH, Endocrine Society, AAP, etc. would happily discuss it. Detransitioners are being ignored by these associations because detransitioners prove that the affirmation model is faulty at best and a startling failure at worst. The very idea that a young person can "know" both that they certainly will never be happy unless they chemically and/or surgically alter their appearance to that of the opposite sex and are treated as if they were the opposite sex by society, and that the obvious medical risks and unavoidable side effects will be well worth it, is absurd. If a fully mature, mentally healthy person wants to take those risks, I don't suppose we can or should stop them from embarking on this path. However, serving up this path to our youth on a silver platter - and informing young people that there is no other viable path - is one of the most irresponsible decisions the medical community has ever made. It rivals the opioid crisis, but the phenomenon is in many ways worse because the medical community is joined by the whole of society. School, colleges and universities, local, state and federal government, major corporations, all forms of media, etc. are pushing the affirmation model on our youth, and ignoring the detransitioners' siren. My thanks to SEGM for this.
The "gender" practitioners, whether mental health, endocrinologists or surgeons, should be saying to the patient, "Medical ethics prevent me from guiding you down the hormones/surgery path. Because it is long term damage to your body and deep damage to the family and society."
I'm collecting data on trans widows, women divorced from crossdressing men. If the "Dutch Protocols" can be based on exit survey results of only 33 subjects, then a collection of data on the patterns of behavior towards the family by crossdressing men is valid if I've got 100 subjects. The 20 question survey for trans widows:
Thank you. The more medical evidence that is made public the better.
I am worried about doctors currently in training in the UK. One is my son, soon to be a paediatric consultant, who heartily disagrees with my gender critical views and believes in affirmative care.
The de-transitioner stories break my heart. This was preventable and it seems more lives and bodies will be damaged, despite these stories being made public.
The cohort was, (before the systematic indoctrination of the children) young men of around 20, and middle aged men with autogynephilia surely? Not pre pubescent boys. Nevertheless, as this article says, the children involved are mainly girls and they are sure as hell not suffering from a condition that is peculiar nearly always to grown men.
I think we are letting the involved clinicians off the hook too easily in the way we talk about detransition.
We talk about "regret", as if it was a cosmetic procedure they changed their mind about. But trans activists and their clinical allies claim that medical transition is a medically necessary treatment. They also claim that detransitioners "were never trans".
By medical criteria, detransitioners didn't change their minds. They were misdiagnosed. As if the clinician told them they had cancer when they really just had an infection.
It wasn't the patient's mistake. It was the doctor's mistake. That's malpractice. Every single detransitioner has a valid claim of malpractice against their clinic.
I'm not hyper-religious (I'm deist), but it'll be interesting to see how common religiosity/spirituality will become among detransitioners (if it's not already prominent). This, I imagine, will definitely help people cope with detransition, as we've seen in cases like Oli London.
I consulted my pocket oracle: Serious concern and caution should be exercised when considering a cosmetic procedure with a 30% failure rate that can result in lifelong sterility and disfiguration. Prioritizing long-term health and exploring alternative options is advised.
Back to watchful waiting with psychological support as the least risky approach to distressed children, the actual standard of care.
(You know, breast implants have a 25% failure rate, and have been on a 20-year declining trend, with an increase in implant removal.)
Can someone please tell me how the ridiculous phrase "gender affirming care" came to be babbled by the highy educated people known as physicians? Perhaps we should now refer to breast implants in females as "large boob affirming care," or in a similar vein, "smaller nose affirming care," "rounder hips affirming care," "wrinkle removal affirming care," etc. Just asking for a friend.
We cannot discredit gender affirming care without going after Conversion Therapy laws that were always illegitimate. These laws are political power plays designed to reinforce the the normalization of perversion.
I am sorry to say this, but I'm all out of patience. All out of compassion & sympathy.–which I once had! This commenter on Exulansic's page took the words out of my mouth: "I want to be clear about this: I do not care about these people. I have zero compassion for them. I am not even slightly moved or concerned about their self-removal statistics. When I hear threats of suicide, my only thought is that I know those are idle threats and I wish someone would publicize that fact. And I will say this too, even though some will hate me for it; if their public suicidal ideation were true, I would be just fine with that, provided they just did it instead of yelling about it all day every day and forcing us to listen." I'm sick of the Deluxe Trans Citizenry and their bottomless, obnoxious entitlement. I just want these homophobic, misogynistic lunatics to go away. PS the video, like all Exulansic's masterful work is profound and morbidly fascinating. https://exulansic.substack.com/p/mastectochism-people-meat
Ignoring detransitioners is a tacit admission that this is a serious problem. If this were simply part of a "gender journey," the WPATH, Endocrine Society, AAP, etc. would happily discuss it. Detransitioners are being ignored by these associations because detransitioners prove that the affirmation model is faulty at best and a startling failure at worst. The very idea that a young person can "know" both that they certainly will never be happy unless they chemically and/or surgically alter their appearance to that of the opposite sex and are treated as if they were the opposite sex by society, and that the obvious medical risks and unavoidable side effects will be well worth it, is absurd. If a fully mature, mentally healthy person wants to take those risks, I don't suppose we can or should stop them from embarking on this path. However, serving up this path to our youth on a silver platter - and informing young people that there is no other viable path - is one of the most irresponsible decisions the medical community has ever made. It rivals the opioid crisis, but the phenomenon is in many ways worse because the medical community is joined by the whole of society. School, colleges and universities, local, state and federal government, major corporations, all forms of media, etc. are pushing the affirmation model on our youth, and ignoring the detransitioners' siren. My thanks to SEGM for this.
The "gender" practitioners, whether mental health, endocrinologists or surgeons, should be saying to the patient, "Medical ethics prevent me from guiding you down the hormones/surgery path. Because it is long term damage to your body and deep damage to the family and society."
I'm collecting data on trans widows, women divorced from crossdressing men. If the "Dutch Protocols" can be based on exit survey results of only 33 subjects, then a collection of data on the patterns of behavior towards the family by crossdressing men is valid if I've got 100 subjects. The 20 question survey for trans widows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H4aDv-AmMk&t=103s
Thank you. The more medical evidence that is made public the better.
I am worried about doctors currently in training in the UK. One is my son, soon to be a paediatric consultant, who heartily disagrees with my gender critical views and believes in affirmative care.
The de-transitioner stories break my heart. This was preventable and it seems more lives and bodies will be damaged, despite these stories being made public.
The cohort was, (before the systematic indoctrination of the children) young men of around 20, and middle aged men with autogynephilia surely? Not pre pubescent boys. Nevertheless, as this article says, the children involved are mainly girls and they are sure as hell not suffering from a condition that is peculiar nearly always to grown men.
I think we are letting the involved clinicians off the hook too easily in the way we talk about detransition.
We talk about "regret", as if it was a cosmetic procedure they changed their mind about. But trans activists and their clinical allies claim that medical transition is a medically necessary treatment. They also claim that detransitioners "were never trans".
By medical criteria, detransitioners didn't change their minds. They were misdiagnosed. As if the clinician told them they had cancer when they really just had an infection.
It wasn't the patient's mistake. It was the doctor's mistake. That's malpractice. Every single detransitioner has a valid claim of malpractice against their clinic.
I'm not hyper-religious (I'm deist), but it'll be interesting to see how common religiosity/spirituality will become among detransitioners (if it's not already prominent). This, I imagine, will definitely help people cope with detransition, as we've seen in cases like Oli London.
I consulted my pocket oracle: Serious concern and caution should be exercised when considering a cosmetic procedure with a 30% failure rate that can result in lifelong sterility and disfiguration. Prioritizing long-term health and exploring alternative options is advised.
Back to watchful waiting with psychological support as the least risky approach to distressed children, the actual standard of care.
(You know, breast implants have a 25% failure rate, and have been on a 20-year declining trend, with an increase in implant removal.)
Can someone please tell me how the ridiculous phrase "gender affirming care" came to be babbled by the highy educated people known as physicians? Perhaps we should now refer to breast implants in females as "large boob affirming care," or in a similar vein, "smaller nose affirming care," "rounder hips affirming care," "wrinkle removal affirming care," etc. Just asking for a friend.
We cannot discredit gender affirming care without going after Conversion Therapy laws that were always illegitimate. These laws are political power plays designed to reinforce the the normalization of perversion.
Thank you. Please keep up the good work.
I am sorry to say this, but I'm all out of patience. All out of compassion & sympathy.–which I once had! This commenter on Exulansic's page took the words out of my mouth: "I want to be clear about this: I do not care about these people. I have zero compassion for them. I am not even slightly moved or concerned about their self-removal statistics. When I hear threats of suicide, my only thought is that I know those are idle threats and I wish someone would publicize that fact. And I will say this too, even though some will hate me for it; if their public suicidal ideation were true, I would be just fine with that, provided they just did it instead of yelling about it all day every day and forcing us to listen." I'm sick of the Deluxe Trans Citizenry and their bottomless, obnoxious entitlement. I just want these homophobic, misogynistic lunatics to go away. PS the video, like all Exulansic's masterful work is profound and morbidly fascinating. https://exulansic.substack.com/p/mastectochism-people-meat