I guess I'll have to dig out the Biorxv version and take a look, but besides taking a look at their data, I'm most interested in what their rationale was for conducting this study and their conclusions. And take a look at their web page to see their department, research interests,publication record. From snippets in this article giving examples of the language used, smells like an agenda.
Been 40 years since college Zoology classes, but my recollection is that what we were taught was that in mammals males tended be larger , but that depended on how a particular species had evolved to fill a niche, including their physical characteristics and behaviors related to reproducing effectively to insure maintaining a fit species. My recollection was these precepts were based on years of observations that were devoted to oriented toward understanding natural processes, and were not being driven by any agenda other than seeking truth.
I wonder if they will eventually get to deconstructing the heliocentric model of the solar system? Is it not patriarchal, racist and cis-normative? What does Indigenous Spirituality have to say about that? Heliocentrism reeks of White Empiricism does it not?
Absolutely right ! And evolution is also a white supremacy thing. So is the binary of sex…all just white racist stuff..enlightenment is also White racism!
No Matt, you have it backwards. Every planet and every moon has it's unique Identity! This teaches us that we too can have unique Identities. If Io Identifies as orbiting Saturn then that's the way it is. The heavens are declaring the end of dimorphism. Black Lesbian Astronomy is coming.
Once upon a time, in the West there was an Age of Reason -- the Enlightenment.
Now we seem to be in the Age of Abject Stupidity... but it's written with big words, lots of charts, and special Academic Credentials designed to hid the stupidity.
The Enlightenment was just a bunch of racist white guys who BUILT THE FREAKING WORLD.
By focusing on the external so intensely they failed to properly address their internal shortcomings - never admitting that every single thing they did or said was sexist or racist or intersectionally bigoted - which is why we now have racialized and gendered architecture and math. They were also stubbornly hung up on the idea of objective truth, which any disappointed drunken marxist from the 60s could tell them doesn't really exist.
The real mass delusion is thinking that a cell phone designed by a Hispanic woman using math created by a white man, and built by an Asian transgender {something} actually works when used by a Black man. Because it can't possibly.
Ohh , you said a bad word: Enlightenment ! Don’t you know haw racist that is? I hope you realize your guilt and say a hundred times: “ trans” women “ are women” while counting your rainbow stripes.
A lawyer and a grad student got published in SA a couple of months ago. Not a paper so much as a poorly written essay but someone else's contribution had to get cut so they could fit it in.
I want to know what happened to create a demand for this kind of "research." I can understand the professor who simply avoids saying, "women bear children" just to keep their job. (I might not respect it, but I understand it). But, putting this much effort into trying to falsify something that is empirically self evident boggles my mind. Yes, sometimes our assumptions /observations can be wrong and so I am happy Tomak et. al. wrote this paper. I just want to know why write this paper when there are so many other interesting things in with world to explore, study, and describe?
My guess is that Tomak et al. aren't interested in exploring or discovering the world; they already understand it to be an evil white supremacist cisheteronormative dystopian hellscape that needs the salvation of their praxis.
Yes! Evil world that doesn’t accept that men can be women or that sex is “ assigned” Willy nilly ( 🤪) at birth! Evil world that somehow won’t accept lies from trannies! Truth is evil . War is peace, and up is down, so we need to write erudite papers proving lies! Brave new world!
When they try to get jobs and a highly qualified and lettered DEI representative asks them what they have contributed to the destruction of Western civilization lately, they can pull this paper out and say "we convinced Nature to publish this piece of crap, further reducing its stature as a quality scientific journal." That has to be worth some points.
Hey kids, do some anthropometry. Walk in K-Mart. Count fruit-of-the-loom tee sizes in men’s and women’s sections. Men are bigger. Count Lee jeans lengths. Men are bigger. Unisex workout gloves. Men are bigger. Converse hi-tops. Men are bigger.
How could they possibly have known which animals were male and which were female if they couldn't ask them?
That's a very good question. How do we know that the 'assigned cow at birth' isn't identifying as a bull?
Hahaha
I guess I'll have to dig out the Biorxv version and take a look, but besides taking a look at their data, I'm most interested in what their rationale was for conducting this study and their conclusions. And take a look at their web page to see their department, research interests,publication record. From snippets in this article giving examples of the language used, smells like an agenda.
Been 40 years since college Zoology classes, but my recollection is that what we were taught was that in mammals males tended be larger , but that depended on how a particular species had evolved to fill a niche, including their physical characteristics and behaviors related to reproducing effectively to insure maintaining a fit species. My recollection was these precepts were based on years of observations that were devoted to oriented toward understanding natural processes, and were not being driven by any agenda other than seeking truth.
I wonder if they will eventually get to deconstructing the heliocentric model of the solar system? Is it not patriarchal, racist and cis-normative? What does Indigenous Spirituality have to say about that? Heliocentrism reeks of White Empiricism does it not?
Absolutely right ! And evolution is also a white supremacy thing. So is the binary of sex…all just white racist stuff..enlightenment is also White racism!
Planetary dimorphism should be the next sacred cow to be gored.
Pluto: "I identify as a planet!"
No Matt, you have it backwards. Every planet and every moon has it's unique Identity! This teaches us that we too can have unique Identities. If Io Identifies as orbiting Saturn then that's the way it is. The heavens are declaring the end of dimorphism. Black Lesbian Astronomy is coming.
Transtronomy!
Thanks. Appreciate the objective analysis. Interesting to contrast your detailed review with the sloppy takes making the rounds.
I just saw this here and am not plugged into the academic circles where the rounds may be occurring. What's being said, what are the sloppy takes?
Once upon a time, in the West there was an Age of Reason -- the Enlightenment.
Now we seem to be in the Age of Abject Stupidity... but it's written with big words, lots of charts, and special Academic Credentials designed to hid the stupidity.
The Enlightenment was just a bunch of racist white guys who BUILT THE FREAKING WORLD.
By focusing on the external so intensely they failed to properly address their internal shortcomings - never admitting that every single thing they did or said was sexist or racist or intersectionally bigoted - which is why we now have racialized and gendered architecture and math. They were also stubbornly hung up on the idea of objective truth, which any disappointed drunken marxist from the 60s could tell them doesn't really exist.
The real mass delusion is thinking that a cell phone designed by a Hispanic woman using math created by a white man, and built by an Asian transgender {something} actually works when used by a Black man. Because it can't possibly.
Ohh , you said a bad word: Enlightenment ! Don’t you know haw racist that is? I hope you realize your guilt and say a hundred times: “ trans” women “ are women” while counting your rainbow stripes.
Having one's paper declined by formerly reputable journals is no longer quite such a disappointment.
A lawyer and a grad student got published in SA a couple of months ago. Not a paper so much as a poorly written essay but someone else's contribution had to get cut so they could fit it in.
I want to know what happened to create a demand for this kind of "research." I can understand the professor who simply avoids saying, "women bear children" just to keep their job. (I might not respect it, but I understand it). But, putting this much effort into trying to falsify something that is empirically self evident boggles my mind. Yes, sometimes our assumptions /observations can be wrong and so I am happy Tomak et. al. wrote this paper. I just want to know why write this paper when there are so many other interesting things in with world to explore, study, and describe?
My guess is that Tomak et al. aren't interested in exploring or discovering the world; they already understand it to be an evil white supremacist cisheteronormative dystopian hellscape that needs the salvation of their praxis.
Yes! Evil world that doesn’t accept that men can be women or that sex is “ assigned” Willy nilly ( 🤪) at birth! Evil world that somehow won’t accept lies from trannies! Truth is evil . War is peace, and up is down, so we need to write erudite papers proving lies! Brave new world!
When they try to get jobs and a highly qualified and lettered DEI representative asks them what they have contributed to the destruction of Western civilization lately, they can pull this paper out and say "we convinced Nature to publish this piece of crap, further reducing its stature as a quality scientific journal." That has to be worth some points.
Are we moving from "gender assigned at birth" to "dimorphism assigned at taxonomization?"
I'm stealing that
Flattered
I despair of academia (in general). There are of course, wonderful exceptions.
Hey kids, do some anthropometry. Walk in K-Mart. Count fruit-of-the-loom tee sizes in men’s and women’s sections. Men are bigger. Count Lee jeans lengths. Men are bigger. Unisex workout gloves. Men are bigger. Converse hi-tops. Men are bigger.
I can't believe we are at the point articles like this are needed. smh.